Is Rick Warren Gay?
By Candace Chellew-Hodge
December 23, 2008
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Doth the inaugural pastor protest too much? (With pages on lesbians and gays “scrubbed” from Saddleback Church Web site)

There’s been some discussion around the blogosphere that Rick Warren doth protest too much about his feelings about gays and lesbians. He loves us, he says, while he likens our relationships to pedophilia and incest. Rick says he’s got loads of gay friends who apparently believe it’s natural to be promiscuous. Some, like Susie Bright, say, however, that Rick’s arguments and positions are eerily similar to another pastor who has now been shunned by fundamentalists:

Deja vu: major Fundie evangelist can’t stop talking about how disgusting gay people are, comparing them to incestors and pedophiles. Decries loose women having abortions. Demands his enemies be offed. Then caps it all off with how much he “loves” everybody. Send your check now! Warren has all the earmarks we saw with Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Bob Allen, David “DiaperPants” Vitter, et al. It’s a bad rerun.

In the heat of the controversy surrounding Warren’s invitation to pray at Obama’s inauguration, the web site at his Saddleback Church has been scrubbed of previous mentions that gay and lesbian people who are unwilling to “repent” of the “lifestyle” of homosexuality would not be able to join the church. (Here is a cached version of the scrubbed page.)

A new page, however, repeats the same offensive anti-gay theology, comparing the sexual orientation of gays and lesbians to alcoholism and adultery. As a lesbian who fully believes that I was born this way, I find it offensive to be told that my natural inclination to seek a long term, loving relationship with another woman is on par with an alcoholic jonesing for his next drink. It pains me to have to point out to otherwise seemingly intelligent people that they are comparing apples and oranges. Alcoholics and adulterers cause great harm to families and societies by abusing themselves and breaking covenant with others. Certainly, there are gay and lesbian people who have drinking problems or have cheated on their partners. However, their innate sexual orientation does not mean that they will automatically—because they are gay or lesbian—act in ways that are harmful to themselves or others. The argument is spurious, but just reasonable enough to convince the uneducated and gullible that they can “love the sinner, but hate the sin.”

Just before Haggard (who, by the way, did abuse himself and broke covenant) admitted buying drugs and engaging in sex with a male prostitute, his views against homosexuality were front and center just like Warren’s are now. He appeared in the movie Jesus Camp pontificating on the evils of homosexuality. In a new HBO documentary, airing January 29, Haggard says he never claimed to be heterosexual and has struggled with his sexual identity his entire life. In the end, he hid his true self fearing, “that my friends would reject me, abandon me and kick me out, and the church would exile and excommunicate me. And that happened and more.”

In that, my heart goes out to Haggard. Were it not for the vociferous anti-gay theological rhetoric coming from the church, perhaps a young Ted Haggard would have had the self-esteem required of a young gay man to be who he really was created to be. If he had found support and love from a good church home, perhaps Ted Haggard would have become a great leader in the struggle for gay and lesbian rights. Sadly, he’s now a marginally successful insurance salesman—a “loser,” as he describes himself—and he still will not embrace his authentic self—believing the lie that he cannot be both gay and Christian.

Too many gay and lesbian people know Haggard’s struggle and heartbreak over the church. They’ve been ostracized by their friends and family and exiled from church communities. Warren’s church is among those who have publicly proclaimed that no “unrepentant” gay and lesbian person is welcome as a member there.

The church has done such damage to the souls of God’s gay and lesbian children and I grieve not just for them but for the church that has rejected the gifts and talents of gays and lesbians. Churches are not supposed to be a place filled with saints. Instead, it is to be a place where all broken and wounded people can be bound up by grace and encounter God’s unconditional love.

Do I think Rick Warren is really gay and protesting too much? That’s between him and God. I can’t say. What I can say is that the human damage from the kind of teachings Warren purveys is growing day by day. About that we simply cannot protest too much.

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Interesting approach to discredit Rick

It appears that the gay community has not come close to selling their agenda? It’s evident in the last voting event where the acceptability of these practices have been soundly turned down. Most still view the gay and lesbian community as one of perverted sex acts and not much more. It’s important to keep in mind that these are still people with feelings and the need to be accepted. It’s not a requirement that we have to accept their extreme life style. It’s certainly an interesting tactic to accuse the people that are opposed to this lifestyle and being involved in the lifestyle.
What makes this group unique enough to have special consideration? They are defiantly not a separate race of people so the constant referenced to equal rights do not apply. The difference that is almost impossible for most to accept is these men have sex with men. There are lots of men that are friends with other men but they think it’s obnoxious to even think about having sex with each other. When criticizing this you get accused of being intolerant, homophobic. The things that were done in the dark are now done in the light and exposed to what they really are and when seeing them in the light the conclusion is most don’t like what they have seen.
This subject is just one of the many that are indicative of our march to an increasingly perverted society. It’s not true that there is no right or wrong. The concept of no norms has destroyed civilizations in the past and it will destroy ours. If our founding fathers would have thought we were going to use the first amendment to do what we are currently doing they would have had addendum's to that amendment. They never would have guessed that we would go to the point where we are today.

My extreme lifestyle

Bizet wrote: "It’s not a requirement that we have to accept their extreme life style."

Hey, Bizet, thanks for your comment. Here's an example of my "extreme lifestyle."

6 a.m. - get up after hitting the snooze for about an hour. I really want to get up, but the extreme lifestyle I'm living makes me so tired. Let the dogs out. Feed the cats.

6:15 - check my email (I'll leave out the first 15 minutes of the day in the bathroom - that's just TOO extreme.) Let the dogs in.

7 a.m. - wake my partner - the accountant - who lives such an extreme lifestyle she needs far more sleep than the writer/pastor does. Let the dogs out.

6:45 - grab some breakfast, perhaps walk the treadmill for a bit or lift some weights. Let the dogs in.

8 a.m. - get ready for work. Put the dogs out in their kennel for the day.

9 a.m. - 5 p.m. - do my job.

5:15 p.m. - fight the traffic to get home

6 p.m. - get dinner

7 p.m. - watch a little tv snuggled up to my life-partner, who, oh my God! is the same gender as myself.

10 p.m. - kiss my partner and roll over and go to sleep. (Sometimes, if we're not too tired from our extreme lifestyle, we'll do that thing that you think makes Jesus puke, but as any married couple can tell you, that's not usually a daily exercise.)

Whew! You're right, how could people living such an "extreme lifestyle" ever think they might have the "special consideration" of having the government recognize the fact that the two of them would like to enter a legal contract that would guarantee them things like hospital visitation, inheritance rights and other "special" perks offered by such a contract commonly called "marriage."

I am deeply offended that you would reduce my life to some "extreme lifestyle" based only on libido. I am a person seeking to live my life with another person who I love. I happen to be fulfilled, both physically, mentally and spiritually by another woman. Simply because you find that icky is no reason to deny me the right to order my affairs and live my life in a way I see fit as long as it doesn't harm or obstruct the lives of others.

Please tell me how living the "extreme lifestyle" described above makes me less deserving of a legal contract to protect the way I have arranged my life and my relationship?

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